Coronavirus: What one of the youngest patients in a B.C. Now Li had Tim on the aisle floor, still plunging and plunging. Summerville has met with Li roughly every two months over the last four years. The driver braked the Greyhound to an emergency halt. He has still been described as psychotic, but is on medication. Then waking up to someone stabbing you repeatedly, for no reason. I don't think that should ever be an option.". Li'sschizophrenia was undiagnosedat the time of the killing. Feb 10, 2017 The Wikipedia page says that Greyhound was named in a $150K lawsuit by the family. On March 5, 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible for the murder and decapitation of 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus near Portage la Prairie, Man. "I take my medication everyday. "I would do anything for (McLean's) family. Today, Vince Li is a free man. Unlimited online access to articles from across Canada with one account and fewer ads, Get exclusive access to the National Post ePaper, an electronic replica of the print edition that you can share, download and comment on, Enjoy insights and behind-the-scenes analysis from our award-winning journalists, Support local journalists and the next generation of journalists, Daily puzzles including the New York Times Crossword, Access articles from across Canada with one account, Share your thoughts and join the conversation in the comments, Get email updates from your favourite authors. No matter what his mental state was, that showed planning and premeditation. There is now no legal recourse if he stops taking his medication or seeing his psychiatrist, which is unconscionable for many of those affected by Li's actions, including McLean's family. Vince was granted supervised walks within his mental facility as voted by the provincial review board on the 3rd of June, 2010. He has no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. When a court deems an offender "not criminally responsible" (NCR), it accepts that a crime was committed under these sorts of conditions. Last May, Matthew de Grood was found not criminally responsible (NCR), meaning he was found to have been mentally ill at the time of the Brentwood stabbings. WHO REALLY KIDNAPPED AND KILLED CHARLES LINDBERGHS CHILD? The board said the passes should only be granted if Li's treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be "appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward." 2023 Toronto Sun, a division of Postmedia Network Inc. All rights reserved. Seems he was an undiagnosed schizophrenic not prescribed the right meds. / CBS News. By all accounts, Li was described as normal. End of story. He had no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. The Guy on the Greyhound Bus got international attention. [Will] Baker is free. TRUE STORY HOW A GHOST CONVICTED A MURDERER, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON ACCIDENTS. 2012 The Associated Press. Vince Li, a personal trainer and mixed-martial artist, never imagined he'd get COVID-19. We reserve the right to close comments at any time. He also cut off his ear, nose, and tongue. There is a reason why offenders deemed not criminally responsible are sent for treatment, not imprisonment, and why they are eventually released: if we accept that an illness compelled someone to commit a crime the man in the mask, pressing a gun into his ribs it is unjust to keep that person confined when that illness is under control. A schizophrenic man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus could know later this week whether he will be granted his freedom. A judge was was told at Li's trial four years ago that Li was an untreated schizophrenic. A passing trucker gave men in the group tools as weapons in case the psycho got out. Every piece of Tims body was defiled and strewn about the bus. Once upon a time, Vince Li posed no significant threat to the public, and then he went off his meds with no one knowing. This not criminally responsible due to a mental disability loophole goes too far. Many of us like to think of ourselves as progressive thinkers on mental health, proudly tweeting #BellLetsTalk to try to erase the stigma around mental illness. Cpl. On top of that, the chances of being killed by someone who has been deemed not criminally responsible are lower than your chance of being struck by lightning. Li was born on April 30, 1968 in Dandong, China. Thats the flaw in the judiciary/psychiatric system. No one in authority listened to what impact this brutal murder had on Tims family and friends, not to mention traumatized witnesses on the bus. READ MORE: Vince Li approved to live at group home in Winnipeg He was found not criminally responsible for beheading Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus back in 2008. There is no actual man in a mask, of course (if there was, there might be grounds for a duress defence a separate issue); rather "the man in a mask" is a euphemism for a mental illness that has you convinced you must hurt others, usually to stay alive. HAPPY NEW YEAR & WAZZUP FOR GARRY RODGERS WRITING IN 2021. Li listened to what he had to say before; the system should make it harder for thatto happen again. They told investigators and profilers exactly what they wanted to hear. The very next morning, Li sold his laptop to a boy. He earned a degree in computer science then immigrated to Canada in 2001. But Li came prepared for this slaughter. ", Li'sschizophrenia was undiagnosedat the time of the killing. His own brain chemistry was failing him. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. They even helped Li change his name to Will Baker. Manitoba's Criminal Code Review Board. The reason Li had so dramatically short-circuited in 2008, and had begun to hear voices urging him to kill? A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. Baker sat next to 22-year-old. "I'm not stigmatizing mental issues. Then he went back to work. Family and friends of victim Tim McLean, wearing t-shirts remember him, enter the Law Courts in Winnipeg, Canada, March 3, 2009 prior to the trial of Vince Li. 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Since that time, Li has undergone nearly nine years of psychiatric . Li then moved to Edmonton without his wife (who later joined him) and he acquired several other jobs. Last week, a Criminal Code review board decided that Li can start having escorted trips off the hospital grounds and into the nearby city of Selkirk. By 2015, Li was in a half-way house and only monitored for medication. INTERCONNECT FINDING YOUR PLACE, PURPOSE AND MEANING IN THE UNIVERSE. They tried to negotiate with the crazy man holding a knife. They were quick to form a conclusion without exploring the entire circumstances in a full and open trial. 5 KILLER TIPS FOR WRITING DEADLY CRIME FICTION, ELEVEN THINGS YOU CANT DO WHEN YOURE DEAD, NO WITNESSES TO NOTHING AMAZON BESTSELLER, STEMI 5 KNOWN REALITIES OF THE UNIVERSE, WRITING DEATH SCENES / PODCAST WITH THE CREATIVE PENN. You can argue lack of intent due to mental incapacity all day long. I was an evil son of an evil god. But could it be prevented? Tim let a blood-curdling scream. Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. The main thrust of most peoples concern, in regards to Lis absolute discharge, seems to be the question what if he decides to stop taking his meds?. On July 29, 2008, Li boarded a bus heading for Winnipeg and arrived in Erickson. It wasnt only the dramatics. HOW TO WRITE A BOOK: JERRY B. 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First, Li has already stated he is open to voluntarily having his medication monitored. Judgment passed that Li was not criminally responsible for Tims murder due to psychosis caused by untreated schizophrenia. Criminal Minds Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. Ambrose is smart enough to know that Li is not actually a criminalbut a little too politically minded, apparently, to care. Pierre Bruno ha vinto il Guinness Sei Nazioni meta del turno per il terzo turno del Torneo 2023 per la sua meta d'intercetto contro l'Irlanda a Roma. The Schizophrenia Society of Canada released an interview with Vince Li on Tuesday, saying Li's story needs to be told to "add a human touch to a horrible tragedy." The interview was. WAS AMANDA KNOX REALLY INNOCENT OF KILLING MEREDITH KERCHER? Part Norman Bates. Enter your email address below and get your FREE eBook IN THE ATTIC A Psychological Thriller Based on a True Crime Story. But when I realized just how deeply my brother was suffering from schizophrenia, I was forced to confront and learn about the illness. Please read the sidebar below for our rules. Summerville released an edited transcript of the interview to the media Tuesday, in which he and Li discuss the night of July 30, 2008, when Li sat on a bus next to McLean that was traveling on a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway bound for Winnipeg. JUST HOW DEADLY IS NOVEL CORONAVIRUS AND COVID-19? Press J to jump to the feed. There was little regard for the publics protection that Linow Will Bakerwould be permanently locked up like the law should allow. Its also existentially true that theres nothing stopping you from driving your car into a group of people, yet that doesn't mean you will. The decision was blasted by critics nationwide, as Canadians asked how a man who decapitated a Greyhound passenger less than 10 years earlier could possibly be set free. Li turned and made eye contact. That's an incredibly 90s haircut for 2008. "I understand people are scared because of my behavior on the Greyhound bus. When he killed Tim McLean, he stabbed him in the neck and chest with a large hunting knife. Where critics of the case have a point is in the decision to grant Li an absolute discharge, meaning he is essentially free of the justice system, rather than a conditional discharge, whereby Li would be required to stick to a treatment plan or report regularly to a psychiatrist. He fidgeted,starting a low Chinese chant. Unauthorized distribution, transmission or republication strictly prohibited. That system is made of people. He reclused like so many mentally-ill people do. I asked him about Vincent Li earlier this week: . The mother of Tim McLean, the man who was beheaded and cannibalized on a Greyhound bus, is speaking out about the decision to grant an absolute discharge to the man who committed the violent crime . This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below. ", Justin Trudeau must put the rights of victims ahead of criminals. It causes one to lose contact with reality, and will often cause one to experience hallucinations and delusions that the individual will believe with absolute certainty are real and true. Lost contact with her when this happened. Maybe he moonlights as an actuary. WAS PRINCESS DIANA REALLY A HOMICIDE VICTIM? BRINGING LIFE TO THE DEAD WITH CGI TECHNOLOGY, SCHMEGELSKY & MCLEOD: THE SENSELESS STORY OF TWO KILLER KIDS, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR BOMB ACCIDENTS, IS THE MEANING OF LIFE A HAM SANDWICH? There are many dangerous offenders warehoused in mental institutions. He is seems to be still in shock after what he has witnessed. The Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board. Vince Li, who now goes by the name Will Baker, beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger, Tim McLean, on a bus just outside Portage la Prairie on July 30, 2008. In 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness for the death of Tim McLean, a 22-year-old carnival worker who was sitting next to him on a bus traveling near. It could not have ended any uglier. It was left to the system to deal with Vince Li. Justin Sarides is a student at the University of Winnipeg, and an advocate for empathy and reason. When he realized the true magnitude of the horrible and grotesque things he had done, because his brain had lied to him. How the public should be forced to take a chance on an unsupervised nut who committed the most barbaric act of public murder and cannibalism Ive ever heard of is plain stupid. (AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in western Canada four years ago thought he was attacking an alien, according to a mental health advocate who interviewed him. She's not entirely alone. Tim McLean, 22. After the incident, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) attempted to run an ad in the Portage Daily Graphic comparing the killing of McLean to the consumption of animals. This website uses cookies to personalize your content (including ads), and allows us to analyze our traffic. It's sad that people forget that the person who did this have family that are innocent of the situation. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. There, he spent the night on a bench outside a grocery store. A schizophrenic man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus could know later this week whether he will be granted his freedom. Ratheras shocked, gasping witnesses describedLi robotically plunged the blade into Tims shoulders, neck and chest. He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental. ELISA LAMS GHASTLY DEATH AT THE NOTORIOUS CECIL HOTEL IN L.A. CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS IT JUSTICE OR MURDER? Vince Li spared Tim McLeans family a lengthy trial. 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